Comments on: An Introduction To Nationalized Healthcare (by Kristie Chapman, RN) http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:21:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Risa Geske http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn#comment-659 Risa Geske Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:08:39 +0000 http://www.thirstyquill.com/?p=1147#comment-659 Fairly nice post, very helpful stuff. Never ever imagined I would obtain the tips I would like in this article. I have been looking everywhere in the net for some time now and was starting to get irritated. Luckily, I happened across your internet site and received precisely what I was looking for. Fairly nice post, very helpful stuff. Never ever imagined I would obtain the tips I would like in this article. I have been looking everywhere in the net for some time now and was starting to get irritated. Luckily, I happened across your internet site and received precisely what I was looking for.

]]> By: Steven Forbis http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn#comment-544 Steven Forbis Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:46:18 +0000 http://www.thirstyquill.com/?p=1147#comment-544 "nothing more than a PERCEPTION created by the incessant drumbeat by the Democrats and their shills in Big Media to justify the very socialist takeover legislation they are trying ramrod through right now." The biggest problem with insurance companies is that they are a <b>for profit business</b>. If it is not within an insurance companies interest to cover your medical bills or they can find a loophole that will stop your coverage, they will do it. Case and point, an acquaintance of mine at work's daughter was in her upper 20's living in Chicago for a Fortune 500 company. Great benefits, great salary, full coverage healthcare. That is, until she got a brain tumor and the insurance company refused to pay for a penny of it, making the parents and the daughter foot the entire bill which, consequently, left the daughter and her parents flat broke. Another example, I was watching one of those trauma room TV shows on Discovery Channel the other day when I saw an ER doctor get off the phone and say "I just talked to [forgot the name of the insurance company] and they said to go ahead and do a CAT Scan." Since when is it the insurance companies decision who should receive a CAT Scan? I guess my point is that insurance companies are not benevolent entities, like the Right would have people to perceive, either. Again, insurance companies are a <b>for profit <i>business</i></b> and anytime that you mix weighing a person's health with quarterly profits, the person will always lose. I'm not saying that a government run healthcare system would be any better (replace the word "insurance company" with "government" in my stories and you've got another argument :D ), it's just that the current system is borked as is. The current people in office see that and are trying to change that system, for better or for worse. “nothing more than a PERCEPTION created by the incessant drumbeat by the Democrats and their shills in Big Media to justify the very socialist takeover legislation they are trying ramrod through right now.”

The biggest problem with insurance companies is that they are a for profit business. If it is not within an insurance companies interest to cover your medical bills or they can find a loophole that will stop your coverage, they will do it.

Case and point, an acquaintance of mine at work’s daughter was in her upper 20’s living in Chicago for a Fortune 500 company. Great benefits, great salary, full coverage healthcare. That is, until she got a brain tumor and the insurance company refused to pay for a penny of it, making the parents and the daughter foot the entire bill which, consequently, left the daughter and her parents flat broke.

Another example, I was watching one of those trauma room TV shows on Discovery Channel the other day when I saw an ER doctor get off the phone and say “I just talked to [forgot the name of the insurance company] and they said to go ahead and do a CAT Scan.” Since when is it the insurance companies decision who should receive a CAT Scan?

I guess my point is that insurance companies are not benevolent entities, like the Right would have people to perceive, either.

Again, insurance companies are a for profit business and anytime that you mix weighing a person’s health with quarterly profits, the person will always lose.

I’m not saying that a government run healthcare system would be any better (replace the word “insurance company” with “government” in my stories and you’ve got another argument :D ), it’s just that the current system is borked as is. The current people in office see that and are trying to change that system, for better or for worse.

]]> By: Kristie Chapman http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn#comment-517 Kristie Chapman Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:29:39 +0000 http://www.thirstyquill.com/?p=1147#comment-517 Mel, I agree - the one thing that I feel like is purposefully forgotten in the 'drumbeat' is the huge amount of assistance programs out there for the uninsured/underinsured that are dealing with catastrophic illnesses. I met with some folks from the Buddy Kemp Caring House in Charlotte and was really inspired by all they do to help this group of people. But when a large number of uninsured are running to emergency rooms for mosquito bites (that really happened in Charlotte) and colds, it does end up being a crisis. I'm still steamed that the President refuses to consider any type of malpractice reform in this healthcare reform package he's spinning. Sometimes I wonder if these people are more intent on creating a worse problem instead of trying to address the problems we already have. Thanks for your comments!!! :) Mel, I agree - the one thing that I feel like is purposefully forgotten in the ‘drumbeat’ is the huge amount of assistance programs out there for the uninsured/underinsured that are dealing with catastrophic illnesses. I met with some folks from the Buddy Kemp Caring House in Charlotte and was really inspired by all they do to help this group of people. But when a large number of uninsured are running to emergency rooms for mosquito bites (that really happened in Charlotte) and colds, it does end up being a crisis. I’m still steamed that the President refuses to consider any type of malpractice reform in this healthcare reform package he’s spinning. Sometimes I wonder if these people are more intent on creating a worse problem instead of trying to address the problems we already have.

Thanks for your comments!!! :)

]]> By: Mel Morganstein http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn#comment-516 Mel Morganstein Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:48:28 +0000 http://www.thirstyquill.com/?p=1147#comment-516 I meant "Same with medicine (drug) costs" in Para 2, not "medical costs.." [sic] I meant “Same with medicine (drug) costs” in Para 2, not “medical costs..” [sic]

]]> By: Mel Morganstein http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn#comment-515 Mel Morganstein Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:45:57 +0000 http://www.thirstyquill.com/?p=1147#comment-515 In polling almost 20 years ago and in recent polling, about 80-85% respondents said there was a "healthcare crisis" in this country. But about 80-85% ALSO said that THEIR healthcare was pretty good. The two results are mutually exclusive until you realize that the so- called "crisis" is, in fact, nothing more than a PERCEPTION created by the incessant drumbeat by the Democrats and their shills in Big Media to justify the very socialist takeover legislation they are trying ramrod through right now. Start reigning in the greedy trial lawyers and their endless malpractice suits, which also encourage doctors to order multiple tests to cover their butts, and watch prices drop. Same with medical costs. This also includes caps on punitive damages and also requiring plaintiffs to pick up all the costs for litigation that they lose. Eliminate ILLEGAL aliens from receiving most medical care. (They are a THIRD of the "45 million uninsured" the Demoncrats keep reminding us about.) Understand that Federal and state coverage mandates make it virtually impossible for people to have the choice of far cheaper catastrophic coverage only! That's about 45% of the "uninsured!" Make the Federal Government eliminate the in-excess of $100 BILLION in waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid that drives up healthcare costs In polling almost 20 years ago and in recent polling, about 80-85% respondents said there was a “healthcare crisis” in this country. But about 80-85% ALSO said that THEIR healthcare was pretty good. The two results are mutually exclusive until you realize that the so- called “crisis” is, in fact, nothing more than a PERCEPTION created by the incessant drumbeat by the Democrats and their shills in Big Media to justify the very socialist takeover legislation they are trying ramrod through right now.
Start reigning in the greedy trial lawyers and their endless malpractice suits, which also encourage doctors to order multiple tests to cover their butts, and watch prices drop. Same with medical costs. This also includes caps on punitive damages and also requiring plaintiffs to pick up all the costs for litigation that they lose.
Eliminate ILLEGAL aliens from receiving most medical care. (They are a THIRD of the “45 million uninsured” the Demoncrats keep reminding us about.)
Understand that Federal and state coverage mandates make it virtually impossible for people to have the choice of far cheaper catastrophic coverage only! That’s about 45% of the “uninsured!”
Make the Federal Government eliminate the in-excess of $100 BILLION in waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid that drives up healthcare costs

]]> By: Kristie Chapman http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn#comment-513 Kristie Chapman Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:16:08 +0000 http://www.thirstyquill.com/?p=1147#comment-513 Scott, I agree wholeheartedly. I'm not sure how they are going to pass this without a constitutional amendment...they certainly are making a good try. But then again, the President doesn't have the constitutional power to remove a CEO from a private business, either. What is happening now is frightening on so many levels. At the CAUTION meeting last night, Corey said something that put my worst fear right on the table: if this passes, it's DONE - this will become an entitlement, just like welfare benefits, and will be impossible to repeal. I can't help but wonder if the people that are polled who support this healthcare reform realize this? Thanks so much!!! Scott,

I agree wholeheartedly. I’m not sure how they are going to pass this without a constitutional amendment…they certainly are making a good try. But then again, the President doesn’t have the constitutional power to remove a CEO from a private business, either.

What is happening now is frightening on so many levels. At the CAUTION meeting last night, Corey said something that put my worst fear right on the table: if this passes, it’s DONE - this will become an entitlement, just like welfare benefits, and will be impossible to repeal. I can’t help but wonder if the people that are polled who support this healthcare reform realize this?

Thanks so much!!!

]]> By: Scott Wizeman http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/12/an-introduction-to-nationalized-healthcare-by-kristie-chapman-rn#comment-510 Scott Wizeman Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:22:31 +0000 http://www.thirstyquill.com/?p=1147#comment-510 Kristie, I appreciate the health care specific critique that you bring to the discussion. As a recipient of medical care only I have a very limited view. As a healthy 33 year old, I also receive care very infrequently, apart from physicals, eye exams and teeth cleanings, and yet my total employer paid health premiums for myself and family amount to nearly $8,000 per year. It seems, on the surface, that something is entirely out of control. The other side of that coin is that I choose to have health insurance. I have read that constitution a number of times and what really gets me in this whole discussion is that I can’t find where health care is a right. If healthcare is to be a right, specifically granted to the federal government in the Constitution, then it seems to me that to specifically grant such requires Amendment 28. Approved by both houses, and sent to the states for ratification. We’re not talking about a filibuster proof majority, we’re talking about ¾ of both houses, ¾ of the several states. If the People want this, then the People need to decide. Let’s roll up our sleeves and get after it; not have an over priced, under detailed, poorly understood, one thousand page bill change personal choices into guaranteed rights. Kristie,
I appreciate the health care specific critique that you bring to the discussion. As a recipient of medical care only I have a very limited view. As a healthy 33 year old, I also receive care very infrequently, apart from physicals, eye exams and teeth cleanings, and yet my total employer paid health premiums for myself and family amount to nearly $8,000 per year. It seems, on the surface, that something is entirely out of control. The other side of that coin is that I choose to have health insurance. I have read that constitution a number of times and what really gets me in this whole discussion is that I can’t find where health care is a right. If healthcare is to be a right, specifically granted to the federal government in the Constitution, then it seems to me that to specifically grant such requires Amendment 28. Approved by both houses, and sent to the states for ratification. We’re not talking about a filibuster proof majority, we’re talking about ¾ of both houses, ¾ of the several states. If the People want this, then the People need to decide. Let’s roll up our sleeves and get after it; not have an over priced, under detailed, poorly understood, one thousand page bill change personal choices into guaranteed rights.

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