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		<title>By: Andy McGee</title>
		<link>http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/05/our-declaration-from-dependence#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr. Wilson and may I say it was a pleasure speaking with you the other night. I found our conversations both sincere and educational. 

To answer your first question, I am somewhat deflated by this administration thus far, and since I refuse to be blindly loyal and silent as so many did during the last 8 years, I will not hold my tounge.

 I think Geithner has been a disaster, I think the democrats have earned their dubious titles of inept, wishy washy, and weak. Not on terror, or any of the catch phrases, but on what they had been sent there to do. 

I split off with you a tick as it relates to the socialist agenda. I think that language is far too strong for what is being proposed. I mean, we can’t even get a public option to attempt to rival the private insurance markets so that middle class families can have a true alternative to what is currently provided, which is fine if you are employed, but virtually crippling if you are not.  And before everyone starts casting stones on my bleeding heart, please consider the job market worste since post WWII. 

So I ask you; shouldn’t we provide for our fellow citizens what most of the secular societies of the world provides for their citizens? If the fire department required you to pay a premium (other than taxes) for their services, how appropriate would it seem if we allowed the un-insured’s apartment , or house to burn to the ground because they did not pay to have the coverage. I view healthcare the same way. 

If you read my last post; you will see that I feel there is a force, far more powerful than our political leaders, and more dubious than the terrorist. I fell that if we do not do something to get the power back from the bought and paid for elected officials; then I feel we will continue to see the quality of life that we have enjoyed in this nation continue to crumble as the true elites continue to benefit from the mis interpreted passion of all of our classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr. Wilson and may I say it was a pleasure speaking with you the other night. I found our conversations both sincere and educational. </p>
<p>To answer your first question, I am somewhat deflated by this administration thus far, and since I refuse to be blindly loyal and silent as so many did during the last 8 years, I will not hold my tounge.</p>
<p> I think Geithner has been a disaster, I think the democrats have earned their dubious titles of inept, wishy washy, and weak. Not on terror, or any of the catch phrases, but on what they had been sent there to do. </p>
<p>I split off with you a tick as it relates to the socialist agenda. I think that language is far too strong for what is being proposed. I mean, we can’t even get a public option to attempt to rival the private insurance markets so that middle class families can have a true alternative to what is currently provided, which is fine if you are employed, but virtually crippling if you are not.  And before everyone starts casting stones on my bleeding heart, please consider the job market worste since post WWII. </p>
<p>So I ask you; shouldn’t we provide for our fellow citizens what most of the secular societies of the world provides for their citizens? If the fire department required you to pay a premium (other than taxes) for their services, how appropriate would it seem if we allowed the un-insured’s apartment , or house to burn to the ground because they did not pay to have the coverage. I view healthcare the same way. </p>
<p>If you read my last post; you will see that I feel there is a force, far more powerful than our political leaders, and more dubious than the terrorist. I fell that if we do not do something to get the power back from the bought and paid for elected officials; then I feel we will continue to see the quality of life that we have enjoyed in this nation continue to crumble as the true elites continue to benefit from the mis interpreted passion of all of our classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, I have just met you and I'm impressed with your sincerity regarding your beliefs....I look forward to more conversations....

Regarding the current administration, I wonder, in hindsight, if there is anything you might change about your comments. 

Yesterday the President said to the House Democratic caucus:  “Let me tell you something…if the Republicans want to campaign against what we’ve done, standing up for the status quo and for insurance companies over American families and business….that is a fight I want to have.”

It seems to me that the President ( and many others)still do not get it…..what is happening in America today is not the Republicans campaigning against (or for) anything….it is the American people who are doing the campaigning against the status quo: the way Congress does business….it has to change and it has to change now!

To the President:    “Let me(We The People) tell you something…if you want to continue doing to us what you have been doing, destroying our Nation before our very eyes, a Socialist agenda over American families and free enterprise…that is a fight we want to have.”

It is a fight we must have! God help us survive the attitude of entitlement created by arrogance of elitism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, I have just met you and I&#8217;m impressed with your sincerity regarding your beliefs&#8230;.I look forward to more conversations&#8230;.</p>
<p>Regarding the current administration, I wonder, in hindsight, if there is anything you might change about your comments. </p>
<p>Yesterday the President said to the House Democratic caucus:  “Let me tell you something…if the Republicans want to campaign against what we’ve done, standing up for the status quo and for insurance companies over American families and business….that is a fight I want to have.”</p>
<p>It seems to me that the President ( and many others)still do not get it…..what is happening in America today is not the Republicans campaigning against (or for) anything….it is the American people who are doing the campaigning against the status quo: the way Congress does business….it has to change and it has to change now!</p>
<p>To the President:    “Let me(We The People) tell you something…if you want to continue doing to us what you have been doing, destroying our Nation before our very eyes, a Socialist agenda over American families and free enterprise…that is a fight we want to have.”</p>
<p>It is a fight we must have! God help us survive the attitude of entitlement created by arrogance of elitism.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie-O in Charlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/05/our-declaration-from-dependence#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie-O in Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy dear, I think that you completely missed the point:
You said, "Are they ambitious? Sure. Are they;”Advancing programs of dependency”? I don’t believe so."
ME:  Liberal policies that have no end have ruined large segments of our society: Social Security which was never meant to be used as the only pension for our retirees.  Generations of families on welfare, food stamps, Medicaid.  Yup, sounds like advancing programs of dependency to me!  (Read the predictions of your liberal brother, Patrick Moynihan.)  
You said,"Which briefing was it that President Obama used the “Murky curtain of transparency to reward irresponsibility? I would suggest that this transparency represents the beginning of a slowing of the irresponsibility that is very much to blame for the sluggish version of capitalism we find ourselves in today."  
Me:  Were you not watching what happened in New Orleans during Katrina?  I know that liberals conveniently blame W for that, but really, it was failed liberal policies that put them in that situation - instead of using their tax $$$ into strengthening their levies (= jobs)and educating their citizens (= jobs) so they don't have to be caught waiting for their check.  (Maxine Waters herself said that people didn't leave NOLA because their $$$ was on the way - huh?  Haven't they heard of banks, ATM cards and having an emergency fund?  Oh that's right, evil capitalism/conservatism rearing its ugly head.  Laissez les bon temps rouler!)  And now this administration wants healthcare for all?  I believe that is what Corey meant by "Murky curtain of transparency to reward irresponsibility".
You said,"Sluggish version of capitalism"?  "Tribal allegiance"?
Me:  We conservatives hated a lot of W's policies, his stand on illegal aliens, the Rx drug plan is entirely too costly, No Child Left Behind that has no teeth into bad teachers and schools, I could go on and on.  (He was right about taking out Saddam and no federal funding for embyonic stem cells, though!)  You need to undertand conservatives:  WE QUESTION ALL OF IT!!!  Harmful policies are harmful policies no matter what side of the aisle one sits!  
Look, as a conservative I can appreciate the desire for helping those less fortunate than you and me, I really do, but having our society 60% socialist and 40% capitalist is a horrifying.  This country wants capitalism,thrives on capitalism, whether you believe it or not.  Iran and China want capitalism for pete's sake!  
God love you, son, but you need to think instead of just emoting! Please join us in really caring for our citzens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy dear, I think that you completely missed the point:<br />
You said, &#8220;Are they ambitious? Sure. Are they;”Advancing programs of dependency”? I don’t believe so.&#8221;<br />
ME:  Liberal policies that have no end have ruined large segments of our society: Social Security which was never meant to be used as the only pension for our retirees.  Generations of families on welfare, food stamps, Medicaid.  Yup, sounds like advancing programs of dependency to me!  (Read the predictions of your liberal brother, Patrick Moynihan.)<br />
You said,&#8221;Which briefing was it that President Obama used the “Murky curtain of transparency to reward irresponsibility? I would suggest that this transparency represents the beginning of a slowing of the irresponsibility that is very much to blame for the sluggish version of capitalism we find ourselves in today.&#8221;<br />
Me:  Were you not watching what happened in New Orleans during Katrina?  I know that liberals conveniently blame W for that, but really, it was failed liberal policies that put them in that situation - instead of using their tax $$$ into strengthening their levies (= jobs)and educating their citizens (= jobs) so they don&#8217;t have to be caught waiting for their check.  (Maxine Waters herself said that people didn&#8217;t leave NOLA because their $$$ was on the way - huh?  Haven&#8217;t they heard of banks, ATM cards and having an emergency fund?  Oh that&#8217;s right, evil capitalism/conservatism rearing its ugly head.  Laissez les bon temps rouler!)  And now this administration wants healthcare for all?  I believe that is what Corey meant by &#8220;Murky curtain of transparency to reward irresponsibility&#8221;.<br />
You said,&#8221;Sluggish version of capitalism&#8221;?  &#8220;Tribal allegiance&#8221;?<br />
Me:  We conservatives hated a lot of W&#8217;s policies, his stand on illegal aliens, the Rx drug plan is entirely too costly, No Child Left Behind that has no teeth into bad teachers and schools, I could go on and on.  (He was right about taking out Saddam and no federal funding for embyonic stem cells, though!)  You need to undertand conservatives:  WE QUESTION ALL OF IT!!!  Harmful policies are harmful policies no matter what side of the aisle one sits!<br />
Look, as a conservative I can appreciate the desire for helping those less fortunate than you and me, I really do, but having our society 60% socialist and 40% capitalist is a horrifying.  This country wants capitalism,thrives on capitalism, whether you believe it or not.  Iran and China want capitalism for pete&#8217;s sake!<br />
God love you, son, but you need to think instead of just emoting! Please join us in really caring for our citzens!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy McGee</title>
		<link>http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/05/our-declaration-from-dependence#comment-506</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll give you that one. I just wanted to get your red blood cells boiling. Have a great day buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give you that one. I just wanted to get your red blood cells boiling. Have a great day buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Thirsty Quill</title>
		<link>http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/05/our-declaration-from-dependence#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>The Thirsty Quill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney: Thanks man!


Scott: I agree that there is a "cultivation" of dependency going on that will, in the long run, harvest more and more voters who are enslaved to casting their votes for liberal candidates for their survival and livelihood. As for the viable 3rd party, I'd be fine with the "rise" of something new, but I think America is far too entrenched in the "R" vs. "D" mentality...it's frustrating, and disheartening.


Andy: Did you miss the point that this speech/document was aimed at ALL politicians, regardless of party? True, some of it IS aimed at the current administration, but I hope I made it clear that this "baggage" lies at the feet of ALL OF THEM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney: Thanks man!</p>
<p>Scott: I agree that there is a &#8220;cultivation&#8221; of dependency going on that will, in the long run, harvest more and more voters who are enslaved to casting their votes for liberal candidates for their survival and livelihood. As for the viable 3rd party, I&#8217;d be fine with the &#8220;rise&#8221; of something new, but I think America is far too entrenched in the &#8220;R&#8221; vs. &#8220;D&#8221; mentality&#8230;it&#8217;s frustrating, and disheartening.</p>
<p>Andy: Did you miss the point that this speech/document was aimed at ALL politicians, regardless of party? True, some of it IS aimed at the current administration, but I hope I made it clear that this &#8220;baggage&#8221; lies at the feet of ALL OF THEM.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent job as always Corey. This document oozes with Patriotism, Nationalism, and Conservatism. I guess it wouldn’t seem right if it wasn’t also covered with that murky veil of fanaticism.

 Obviously it is easy to fall in love with all the calls for liberty, empowerment, and responsibility.  What true American would ever disagree with any of that? And while I whole heartedly appreciate your fears,  of this administration’s “spending our Nation into ruin”, I must ask you exactly which “misguided actions”, “abuses of power”, or “immoral gains” have these “contradictors of our founding fathers” preformed? And how exactly did you quell such passion during the last administration's "perversions of the act of leadership? Or is this just another example of tribal allegiance? 

Are they ambitious? Sure. Are they;”Advancing programs of dependency”?  I don’t believe so. Which briefing was it that President Obama used the “Murky curtain of transparency to reward irresponsibility? I would suggest that this transparency represents the beginning of a slowing of the irresponsibility that is very much to blame for the sluggish version of capitalism we find ourselves in today. 

Is this, most shameful of all philosophies; “transparency” so hard to grasp that you suggest it has wrecked capitalism? Has it “punished the innovators, de-railed entrepreneurs? Has this administration's “perversion of the act of leadership” really ignored the will of our Nation? I seem to remember our Nation speaking loud and clear last November. 
 
In which speech or briefing did this administration label our people as "the armed enemy"? Or could it be that once again you are tying all of us to the extremist?
 
Once more my brother, I applaud the work. It is filled with many great Conservative principles. I just find that these latest trends in conservative principles of disingenuous conjecture, sound bite manipulation, and wreckless editing, are beneath the over all message that you are, for the most part, very eloquently promoting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent job as always Corey. This document oozes with Patriotism, Nationalism, and Conservatism. I guess it wouldn’t seem right if it wasn’t also covered with that murky veil of fanaticism.</p>
<p> Obviously it is easy to fall in love with all the calls for liberty, empowerment, and responsibility.  What true American would ever disagree with any of that? And while I whole heartedly appreciate your fears,  of this administration’s “spending our Nation into ruin”, I must ask you exactly which “misguided actions”, “abuses of power”, or “immoral gains” have these “contradictors of our founding fathers” preformed? And how exactly did you quell such passion during the last administration&#8217;s &#8220;perversions of the act of leadership? Or is this just another example of tribal allegiance? </p>
<p>Are they ambitious? Sure. Are they;”Advancing programs of dependency”?  I don’t believe so. Which briefing was it that President Obama used the “Murky curtain of transparency to reward irresponsibility? I would suggest that this transparency represents the beginning of a slowing of the irresponsibility that is very much to blame for the sluggish version of capitalism we find ourselves in today. </p>
<p>Is this, most shameful of all philosophies; “transparency” so hard to grasp that you suggest it has wrecked capitalism? Has it “punished the innovators, de-railed entrepreneurs? Has this administration&#8217;s “perversion of the act of leadership” really ignored the will of our Nation? I seem to remember our Nation speaking loud and clear last November. </p>
<p>In which speech or briefing did this administration label our people as &#8220;the armed enemy&#8221;? Or could it be that once again you are tying all of us to the extremist?</p>
<p>Once more my brother, I applaud the work. It is filled with many great Conservative principles. I just find that these latest trends in conservative principles of disingenuous conjecture, sound bite manipulation, and wreckless editing, are beneath the over all message that you are, for the most part, very eloquently promoting.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wizeman</title>
		<link>http://www.thirstyquill.com/2009/07/05/our-declaration-from-dependence#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wizeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two thoughts:
Is it possible to unseat the beltway class without a viable new party?
Should additional "stimulus" actually come to be (Biden as reported in the WSJ today) will there be too many on the take to ensure free elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts:<br />
Is it possible to unseat the beltway class without a viable new party?<br />
Should additional &#8220;stimulus&#8221; actually come to be (Biden as reported in the WSJ today) will there be too many on the take to ensure free elections?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wizeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Wizeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Corey.  The subsequent questions then:
How do we make unseating the beltway class possible without a viable new party?  With the likely additional federal stimulus (Biden's comments in the WSJ today) how many will be so dependent on redistribution by govenment debt that unseating elected officials will be unlikely if not impossible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Corey.  The subsequent questions then:<br />
How do we make unseating the beltway class possible without a viable new party?  With the likely additional federal stimulus (Biden&#8217;s comments in the WSJ today) how many will be so dependent on redistribution by govenment debt that unseating elected officials will be unlikely if not impossible?</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Powerful stuff.</description>
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