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		<title>By: Andy McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thirsty  Quill sounds like a good blog. 
What about the:
Moderate Transpartisan Moment! 
Mix passion and hustle and see what happens? 
I am in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thirsty  Quill sounds like a good blog.<br />
What about the:<br />
Moderate Transpartisan Moment!<br />
Mix passion and hustle and see what happens?<br />
I am in!</p>
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		<title>By: The Thirsty Quill</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Thirsty Quill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven:

Good point. I personally believe that it is time for a reaffirmation of the 9th and 10th Amendments.


Abigail:

Thanks for being open with us. It was good for me to hear from somebody else who is in "the same boat." It's hard, and yes, it's quite frustrating indeed. You and I differ on the idea of a revamped healthcare system (yeah, you tried to "sneak" nationalized healthcare past us...hehehe). However, I agree with you entirely on the basis that the system is corrupt and broken down. I think we just have different ideas on how to get it working again. But as always, thanks for chiming in. Your honesty and openness is always a breath of fresh air on this blog, even if you do hang with the Liberal Dems...hehe.


Austin:

Thanks buddy. Once again, this blog eagerly awaits your first article. You have one of the keenest minds among our readers (as often witnessed in the forums), and we'd be honored to have you write a feature piece. No pressure though.


Andy:

You are my arch nemesis and the Chairman of the Liberal front here at 'The Quill.' Let me say again, that while I did have a fond appreciation for "W," I do not think highly of a great deal of his spending initiatives. He was NOT a FISCAL conservative. I like a lot of what he did, but his spending was out of control. I give him some flexibility and breathing room based on the fact that so much of his spending came as a follow-up to 9/11 and in Afghanistan/Iraq.

I do agree with you about a 3rd party. How does the Thirsty Quill Party sound?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven:</p>
<p>Good point. I personally believe that it is time for a reaffirmation of the 9th and 10th Amendments.</p>
<p>Abigail:</p>
<p>Thanks for being open with us. It was good for me to hear from somebody else who is in &#8220;the same boat.&#8221; It&#8217;s hard, and yes, it&#8217;s quite frustrating indeed. You and I differ on the idea of a revamped healthcare system (yeah, you tried to &#8220;sneak&#8221; nationalized healthcare past us&#8230;hehehe). However, I agree with you entirely on the basis that the system is corrupt and broken down. I think we just have different ideas on how to get it working again. But as always, thanks for chiming in. Your honesty and openness is always a breath of fresh air on this blog, even if you do hang with the Liberal Dems&#8230;hehe.</p>
<p>Austin:</p>
<p>Thanks buddy. Once again, this blog eagerly awaits your first article. You have one of the keenest minds among our readers (as often witnessed in the forums), and we&#8217;d be honored to have you write a feature piece. No pressure though.</p>
<p>Andy:</p>
<p>You are my arch nemesis and the Chairman of the Liberal front here at &#8216;The Quill.&#8217; Let me say again, that while I did have a fond appreciation for &#8220;W,&#8221; I do not think highly of a great deal of his spending initiatives. He was NOT a FISCAL conservative. I like a lot of what he did, but his spending was out of control. I give him some flexibility and breathing room based on the fact that so much of his spending came as a follow-up to 9/11 and in Afghanistan/Iraq.</p>
<p>I do agree with you about a 3rd party. How does the Thirsty Quill Party sound?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your passion Corey, I love it because it comes from a good place and it has the very best of intentions. I have no doubt that a great many of those protesting are doing so out of a deep conviction and an equally deeper fear for our future. I love the fact we live in a country where mass protest like these can happen as a right without being shutdown by a corrupt and powerful leader. While I will continue to ponder why only now all these conservatives are up in arms as appose to 4 years ago(for example) after Medicaid Part D was literally crammed down our  throats at a 51-50 vote (Thanks Dick).
 I think Abigail hits a very good point and reminds me that we should be looking within the guts of this thing instead of throwing mud on each other like we have done for what seems to be decades now. 
When are the people who care the most about our country stand up and force a third (transpartisan) party choice where we can move past the stalemate issues and really get something accomplished? 
Until then I will continue to pull for our President, who I believe loves this country with every fiber of his being, and has been extremely brave and graceful over the last 100+ days. I also think you don’t call a game in the third inning. Did we walk some guys, give up some hits, and commit an error or two? Sure we did, but it sure beats last season when only 25% of the fans cheered for the team and we took the team with the best batting average and ERA (SURPLUS)and ran them into the ground. Let’s give this game and its players and coaches a little time to open up and see what can happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your passion Corey, I love it because it comes from a good place and it has the very best of intentions. I have no doubt that a great many of those protesting are doing so out of a deep conviction and an equally deeper fear for our future. I love the fact we live in a country where mass protest like these can happen as a right without being shutdown by a corrupt and powerful leader. While I will continue to ponder why only now all these conservatives are up in arms as appose to 4 years ago(for example) after Medicaid Part D was literally crammed down our  throats at a 51-50 vote (Thanks Dick).<br />
 I think Abigail hits a very good point and reminds me that we should be looking within the guts of this thing instead of throwing mud on each other like we have done for what seems to be decades now.<br />
When are the people who care the most about our country stand up and force a third (transpartisan) party choice where we can move past the stalemate issues and really get something accomplished?<br />
Until then I will continue to pull for our President, who I believe loves this country with every fiber of his being, and has been extremely brave and graceful over the last 100+ days. I also think you don’t call a game in the third inning. Did we walk some guys, give up some hits, and commit an error or two? Sure we did, but it sure beats last season when only 25% of the fans cheered for the team and we took the team with the best batting average and ERA (SURPLUS)and ran them into the ground. Let’s give this game and its players and coaches a little time to open up and see what can happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said. The government should be striving to help citizens, not corporations. Until we stand up to our government and representatives and DEMAND justice, things will likely never change. 

Once again, well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said. The government should be striving to help citizens, not corporations. Until we stand up to our government and representatives and DEMAND justice, things will likely never change. </p>
<p>Once again, well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely sympathize with your anger over the bailouts, and the frustration of your financial "rough patch." Personally, our family has held on for dear life financially recently, and employed sound principles and hard work to muttle through.  But, on the whole, I don't think that bootstrap methodology is the answer.  

I think the whole situation calls for different solutions that address the root causes of the economic crisis.  Certainly fraud and corruption played a great part in all of this, as did willful ignorance and in some cases, greed, on the part of the American consumer.  Still, there are many for whom those aren't the factors that led to their financial ruin.  

Several years ago, a Harvard study demonstrated that the leading cause of bankruptcy (particularly among those who were middle-class, home-owning, college-educated, health insured folks) was overwhelming medical debt.  

In the last year, my husband and I have had financial trials similar to yours--most of them due to health-related burdens.  I've had a series of problems that caused us to spend more in medical expenses, and forced us to look for previously unnecessary child care for the kids.  We've done battle with our insurance company, and been surprised when we received bills for procedures we thought we'd already paid for in other bills.  Almost every bill was written in what can only be described as Sanskrit, and many of them required me spending time navigating a maze of medical receptionists, billing offices, and several layers of our insurance company to determine what we were being asked to pay and why.

Not many working and dual-income families have time to spend navigating these systems like I did, hanging out on the phone with Aetna for an hour only to find out they had billed you for something your insurance supposedly covers.  Billing errors are rampant, and many of our bills have been wrong-to the tune of hundreds of dollars sometimes.  

I even fought the charges on a well-child visit once because I took my son to the doctor a week after his first birthday.  We were billed for the whole cost, even though that visit is covered by our insurance.  Apparently, it created a near-collapse of their billing system for the insurance representative to force the system to see that visit as our "annual" well-child checkup.

I have a Master's Degree, much of which was earned studying Health Policy, and it was still complicated to discern our bills and to reconcile the inaccuracies therein.  I cannot imagine Joe Six Pack taking hours out of his work day to fight the good fight for fair billing, or even sensible billing, when talking to a medical representative who's speaking some bizarre insider insurance dialect, all the while earning enough to pay for the medical expenses he or his family has incurred.  Many people like us begin their "I fell behind..." stories with a health-related incident.

Until we address the issue of the cost and complexity of our health care system, we will continue to see people slip into poverty (be it by incurring their own medically-related debt, or by the over-burdening of the tax payer through continued corporate bailout programs).  Many Americans like you and me have their bootstraps forcibly cut by medical calamity.  Those people don't just need a band aid bailout, they need an entire health system transplant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely sympathize with your anger over the bailouts, and the frustration of your financial &#8220;rough patch.&#8221; Personally, our family has held on for dear life financially recently, and employed sound principles and hard work to muttle through.  But, on the whole, I don&#8217;t think that bootstrap methodology is the answer.  </p>
<p>I think the whole situation calls for different solutions that address the root causes of the economic crisis.  Certainly fraud and corruption played a great part in all of this, as did willful ignorance and in some cases, greed, on the part of the American consumer.  Still, there are many for whom those aren&#8217;t the factors that led to their financial ruin.  </p>
<p>Several years ago, a Harvard study demonstrated that the leading cause of bankruptcy (particularly among those who were middle-class, home-owning, college-educated, health insured folks) was overwhelming medical debt.  </p>
<p>In the last year, my husband and I have had financial trials similar to yours&#8211;most of them due to health-related burdens.  I&#8217;ve had a series of problems that caused us to spend more in medical expenses, and forced us to look for previously unnecessary child care for the kids.  We&#8217;ve done battle with our insurance company, and been surprised when we received bills for procedures we thought we&#8217;d already paid for in other bills.  Almost every bill was written in what can only be described as Sanskrit, and many of them required me spending time navigating a maze of medical receptionists, billing offices, and several layers of our insurance company to determine what we were being asked to pay and why.</p>
<p>Not many working and dual-income families have time to spend navigating these systems like I did, hanging out on the phone with Aetna for an hour only to find out they had billed you for something your insurance supposedly covers.  Billing errors are rampant, and many of our bills have been wrong-to the tune of hundreds of dollars sometimes.  </p>
<p>I even fought the charges on a well-child visit once because I took my son to the doctor a week after his first birthday.  We were billed for the whole cost, even though that visit is covered by our insurance.  Apparently, it created a near-collapse of their billing system for the insurance representative to force the system to see that visit as our &#8220;annual&#8221; well-child checkup.</p>
<p>I have a Master&#8217;s Degree, much of which was earned studying Health Policy, and it was still complicated to discern our bills and to reconcile the inaccuracies therein.  I cannot imagine Joe Six Pack taking hours out of his work day to fight the good fight for fair billing, or even sensible billing, when talking to a medical representative who&#8217;s speaking some bizarre insider insurance dialect, all the while earning enough to pay for the medical expenses he or his family has incurred.  Many people like us begin their &#8220;I fell behind&#8230;&#8221; stories with a health-related incident.</p>
<p>Until we address the issue of the cost and complexity of our health care system, we will continue to see people slip into poverty (be it by incurring their own medically-related debt, or by the over-burdening of the tax payer through continued corporate bailout programs).  Many Americans like you and me have their bootstraps forcibly cut by medical calamity.  Those people don&#8217;t just need a band aid bailout, they need an entire health system transplant.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Forbis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Forbis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. No matter what your stance on how big or small government should be, the government should ALWAYS belooking after the intrest of the people. 

In the last few years, I have felt like a serf in some large kingdom rather than a voice in a representative democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. No matter what your stance on how big or small government should be, the government should ALWAYS belooking after the intrest of the people. </p>
<p>In the last few years, I have felt like a serf in some large kingdom rather than a voice in a representative democracy.</p>
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